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To hide or not to hide? Re: [LbNA] Re:I wonder...

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To hide or not to hide? Re: [LbNA] Re:I wonder...

From: R (ontario_cacher@yahoo.ca) | Date: 2006-11-28 20:45:39 UTC-05:00
Interesting discussion. I can relate to the whole experience and dynamics of the game because I both find and hide boxes. And I enjoy both aspects of the game. But I'm leery about urging people to hide in order to give back to the community. I would encourage hiding but only if someone enjoys the process and will maintain their hides.

I worry that if people feel obliged to hide because they've found x number of boxes, they'll do so half-heartedly. I takes time and effort to find a good location, carve a stamp, put together a box, write clues, post the clues, then visit the box periodically to view the logbook and maintain the letterbox. Letterboxes should be well-planned things. The owner should enjoy the experience.

Lone R

Barefoot Lucy wrote: On 11/28/06, The FM Girl wrote:

I think letterboxing is all about relationship, about giving and receiving.
Some people give, some receive. There is an element of mutuality. You
can't give without a receiver. If someone hides a box would they not
prefer that someone go looking and find it?

************

So if you are a receiver and I am a giver, it is entirely on my back as a
giver to fulfill your mission as a receiver? That's kind of like saying
"let's share the sled - you can have it on the trips up the hill, and I'll
have it on the trips down the hill."

I agree with you though that it IS about giving and receiving. BUT - until
you've had the opportunity to both give AND receive, you really can't
understand the dynamics of the whole game. You can have a real good idea,
but you don't get the whole picture. By understanding the feelings and
efforts that go into being a placer, you become a better finder. By being a
really good finder, you become more attuned to how to create boxes worth
finding.
--
Barefoot Lucy
"It's not about footwear, it's about philosophy"

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To hide or not to hide? Re: [LbNA] Re:I wonder...

From: dixiedarlin_snakedancer (dixiedarlin_snakedancer@yahoo.com) | Date: 2006-11-29 02:04:56 UTC
Planting a box should be a joy
not a chore
if it is not your inclination to do so
then there is nothing wrong with being a FINDER

you give JOY to the PLANTER by seeking out their LB

dixie darlin'


--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, R wrote:
>
> Interesting discussion. I can relate to the whole experience and
dynamics of the game because I both find and hide boxes. And I enjoy
both aspects of the game. But I'm leery about urging people to hide
in order to give back to the community. I would encourage hiding but
only if someone enjoys the process and will maintain their hides.
>
> I worry that if people feel obliged to hide because they've found
x number of boxes, they'll do so half-heartedly. I takes time and
effort to find a good location, carve a stamp, put together a box,
write clues, post the clues, then visit the box periodically to view
the logbook and maintain the letterbox. Letterboxes should be well-
planned things. The owner should enjoy the experience.
>
> Lone R
>
> Barefoot Lucy
wrote: On 11/28/06, The FM Girl
wrote:
>
> I think letterboxing is all about relationship, about giving and
receiving.
> Some people give, some receive. There is an element of mutuality.
You
> can't give without a receiver. If someone hides a box would they
not
> prefer that someone go looking and find it?
>
> ************
>
> So if you are a receiver and I am a giver, it is entirely on my
back as a
> giver to fulfill your mission as a receiver? That's kind of like
saying
> "let's share the sled - you can have it on the trips up the hill,
and I'll
> have it on the trips down the hill."
>
> I agree with you though that it IS about giving and receiving.
BUT - until
> you've had the opportunity to both give AND receive, you really
can't
> understand the dynamics of the whole game. You can have a real
good idea,
> but you don't get the whole picture. By understanding the
feelings and
> efforts that go into being a placer, you become a better finder.
By being a
> really good finder, you become more attuned to how to create
boxes worth
> finding.
> --
> Barefoot Lucy
> "It's not about footwear, it's about philosophy"
>
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>
>
>
>
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Re: To hide or not to hide? Re: [LbNA] Re:I wonder...

From: Barefoot Lucy (barefootlucy@gmail.com) | Date: 2006-11-28 20:26:39 UTC-06:00
Lone R,

I agree with you that no one should feel obliged to hide boxes and that if
they do it from a sense of obligation they will probably not do as good a
job as someone who plants from a free desire to give back. However, I still
say that until you've tried both sides of the equation, you can't have a
full perspective of the game.

That doesn't make the lack of perspective a bad thing - that just means
someone hasn't gotten there yet. I wouldn't have expected my daughter to
understand the beauty of motherhood when she was 12 years old, but I also
wouldn't have wanted her to rush to motherhood so she could have that
understanding.

I think in many things we all do, we rush to get the whole experience. Why
hurry? Take your time and learn thoroughly at each step along the way. And
learn well. And after you master one level, move on to the next. I think
this applies to letterboxing as well as anything else. Ironically, I don't
think many of us, if any, will ever master the whole thing. And that's one
reason why I keep on letterboxing, because I NEED something that will keep
me challenged and interested.

However, I think that if a letterboxer takes the approach of "I'm just not
bent toward planting so I'm just going to be happy being a finder", they
shortchange themselves by closing the door on that aspect of experiencing
the game. And they can be great finders for decades, but if they never take
the opportunity to try planting they will not ever have the full experience
of the game. That doesn't mean they have to be stellar planters, or have
huge numbers of boxes out there, but it means they made an earnest attempt
to place a box, if for no other reason than to find out why a person who
loves to plant does what they do.

On 11/28/06, R wrote:
>
> Interesting discussion. I can relate to the whole experience and
> dynamics of the game because I both find and hide boxes. And I enjoy both
> aspects of the game. But I'm leery about urging people to hide in order to
> give back to the community. I would encourage hiding but only if someone
> enjoys the process and will maintain their hides.
>
> I worry that if people feel obliged to hide because they've found x number
> of boxes, they'll do so half-heartedly. I takes time and effort to find a
> good location, carve a stamp, put together a box, write clues, post the
> clues, then visit the box periodically to view the logbook and maintain the
> letterbox. Letterboxes should be well-planned things. The owner should enjoy
> the experience.
>
> Lone R
>
> Barefoot Lucy > wrote:
> On 11/28/06, The FM Girl >
> wrote:
>
> I think letterboxing is all about relationship, about giving and
> receiving.
> Some people give, some receive. There is an element of mutuality. You
> can't give without a receiver. If someone hides a box would they not
> prefer that someone go looking and find it?
>
> ************
>
> So if you are a receiver and I am a giver, it is entirely on my back as a
> giver to fulfill your mission as a receiver? That's kind of like saying
> "let's share the sled - you can have it on the trips up the hill, and I'll
> have it on the trips down the hill."
>
> I agree with you though that it IS about giving and receiving. BUT - until
> you've had the opportunity to both give AND receive, you really can't
> understand the dynamics of the whole game. You can have a real good idea,
> but you don't get the whole picture. By understanding the feelings and
> efforts that go into being a placer, you become a better finder. By being
> a
> really good finder, you become more attuned to how to create boxes worth
> finding.
> --
> Barefoot Lucy
> "It's not about footwear, it's about philosophy"
>
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>
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--
Barefoot Lucy
"It's not about footwear, it's about philosophy"


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To hide or not to hide? Re: [LbNA] Re:I wonder...

From: pell_lake_girl (mishiekins@prodigy.net) | Date: 2006-11-29 16:08:55 UTC
And THAT, Ms. Darlin', is exactly what I meant to say. :-)

If someone doesn't get joy out of planting,t hey should not do it. So what, if some people
only like planting they are not being "fair" bc they won't go and find boxes? Ridiculous.

I am happy that this lady in my town [Kiddy Writer, if you know her] has been so warm and
encouraging about letterboxing, including by putting out many boxes that can be enjoyed
by beginners, and not demanding or requiring anything in return. She gets th efun out of
the carving and the selecting and the hiding and the writing. Her joy comes from me
sending her an excited email that "I found it!!!" and then telling her about the my journey.

It was her warmth and acceptance that led me to want to plant a box. Just to say thank you
to her. So I did. Even though IMO the stamp was not that good since I am not much of a
carver. And then in conjunction with her we offered another letterbox last week in
conjunction with a food drive -- she carved the stamp and I offered a kick @ss logbook, if
I do say so myself. That was fun too.

Freelance Mystic


>
> Planting a box should be a joy
> not a chore
> if it is not your inclination to do so
> then there is nothing wrong with being a FINDER
>
> you give JOY to the PLANTER by seeking out their LB
>
> dixie darlin'
>



To hide or not to hide? Re: [LbNA] Re:I wonder...

From: pell_lake_girl (mishiekins@prodigy.net) | Date: 2006-11-29 16:13:44 UTC
Perhaps you are right. I just hid the one. It was a total PITA, the whole process. So maybe
in a while I will try it again, but for right now, I got a glimpse of the other side and it was
not fun to me. And this is supposed to be my fun, no stress hobby. In terms of challenges,
my work is incredibly creative and challenging and technical, and my scrapbooking is the
same, and I am always doing challenging cross stitch projects too. For me personally [just
me] this is supposed to be my no stress, I'm not trying to be perfect at this, hobby.

While I appreciated the planted boxes out there for me to find before, I appreciate them
even more now, bc it sure it a lot of trouble, even to do an easy one.

Freelance Mystic


--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Barefoot Lucy" wrote:
>
> However, I think that if a letterboxer takes the approach of "I'm just not
> bent toward planting so I'm just going to be happy being a finder", they
> shortchange themselves by closing the door on that aspect of experiencing
> the game. And they can be great finders for decades, but if they never take
> the opportunity to try planting they will not ever have the full experience
> of the game. That doesn't mean they have to be stellar planters, or have
> huge numbers of boxes out there, but it means they made an earnest attempt
> to place a box, if for no other reason than to find out why a person who
> loves to plant does what they do.